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I'm hoping there is a rebellion and people demand XP and new machines. Sadly, I think M$ has deals to force Dell, HP, etc to preload Vista Home (total crap) on everything.
You need Vista Business to do anything, and even then it is missing the Media Center / DVD stuff..
First off he actually paid for a OS...
Second ive installed Vista on a machine we used for the "XP" release and it works fine...
How about the fact that DirectX 10 is trash. Sure Direct3D has some cool new features, and games like Crysis look amazing, but what about the other DX10 components? DX10 no longer supports hardware-accelerated sound in order to "protect the kernel." (See: How to implement DRM.) In fact, getting any of the cool 3D audio/sound filters requires you to install a patch that uses OpenAL (the audio equivalent of OpenGL) instead of the sound component of DirectX. Without that, you're stuck with some flat, stereo sound.
Add to that the fact that DirectInput (input from keyboards/mice/joysticks) has been borked so that it's "more compatible with the XBox360 controller" (See: Let's try to unify our gaming cash cow) and DirectX 10 isn't so sweet anymore.
The alternative is to use OpenGL for graphics, OpenAL for sound, and SDL/GLUT for everything else. All of these are cross platform, and most of them work BETTER than DirectX (excepting OpenGL, although it's not really that far behind graphics-wise) and you kinda wonder why game developers still stick with DirectX . . .
My enthusiasm for an upgrade, although never particularly high, continues to fall.
What I do want, though, is a sweet 24" widescreen...
And @ fiver2 he wasent over embelishing. He spent over 12 hours strait trying to install that rushed out, half baked, poor excuse for a beta on a top of the line dell that had "Vista ready" on the box.
The problem was his nVidia card and microsoft's complete inability to let 3rd party developers in on the driver specs
Windows 2000 all the way!
/on an xp machine with 30 + days of up time
//runs all graphics software faster than a mac.... ahaha Rosetta... hahaha
///has a game market, yay for pc releases
////won't be installing vista for a while but seriously people fanboyism is lame.
so all snark aside, I doubt that i will convince a mac fanboy that microsoft is sweet, and i doubt you will convince me otherwise. That said 95% of the world runs on MS software so they must be doing something right, and apple must just be playing to the underdog mentality... am i right? am i right?
.... tired of anti vista meme on the internaughts, will wait a year to install it when all the drm crap is busted....
final side note, any haters harping on the DRM, if you own a new intel mac please see the TPM that came included on your motherboard, cross reference that with apples approach to DRM in iTunes, get back with me once leopard is out.
Vista Sucks.
Thank you
1. Hidden/collapsed menu items in Word. What a goofy idea, and so annoying - why hide menu items that you are looking for. Classic.
2. whole word auto-select. The number of times I've had to turn that off. It just keeps coming back.
3. Clipboard menu keeps coming-up on CTRL-C. Again, I keep turning it off, it keeps coming back.
4. Grouping of multiple windows in a task bar. So if you have more than 3 Word windows open they get collapsed into a single brick in the task bar. Often truncating the title of the document, so no hope of actually figuring out which is which, without clicking on each one.
5. CTRL-F doesn't = "Find" in Outlook. Am minor gripe, but it shits me.
6. Crappy "unsmart" name finding in Outlook address book. Good luck if you are in a large organization.
7. The "open file" dialog box. It doesn't remember that I like my files sorted by date descending, so I can find the most recent one I'm working on. Invariably the "date" header is way off somewhere else, which requires a horizontal scroll then a click.
I'm wondering are any of these things fixed in Vista? If so I may install it on Parallels for my Mac.
1. The word hidden collapsible list modifies itself based on what you use frequently. If this is your own personal machine it is pretty sweet, but on a lab imaged machine it can be infuriating. You can also disable it in settings.
2. Agreed, hate that shit.
3. That's because you have ms office tools running at start up, just disable it. Can be useful though during formatting, for instance a thesis paper. (have had to do it in the past)
4. As someone who currently has 12 explorer windows open, you are a chump if you dislike this feature. I wish i could set it so that it would keep even two of them together at any given time so that i could close them all.
5. You use outlook?
6. You use outlook?
7. This is a setting that can be changed in tools -> folder options from any explorer window. You can set it to remember specific preferences for a folder, or apply a generic one system wide.
Just because you don't know what you are doing, does not make the system bad.
MS Office tools installs by default, so I'm guessing that 95% of the people in my office have the same problem. If MS would spend less time making shiny new additions, and more time making the interface intuitive to use out of the box - I think people like me would be much less grouchy.
The Word auto-select problem has been there for like 5 years, and still hasn't gone away. This is not a company that spends a lot of time thinking about usability.
I installed WordPerfect on my laptop so I can write up things there, then move to Word when/if necessary to share with the unwashed masses.
This whole issue inspired me to write a bit.
Much the same type of points James made, though...
BTW - the February 2007 PC Gamer has a great Mac Pro vs. custom PC box showdown. Good times.
Oh, and don't bother showing up to a gaming competition without your own GeForce 8800
And I wouldn't take half of the comments in this little thread too seriously - a big fat grain of salt is definitely in order.
Well, there is a wide breadth of Mac users. Sure there are the graphic design/video/sound people who might have problems with the more techie stuff -
Then there are the would be Linux users who want all the goodies that Linux offers with a much better UI than anything from KDE or Gnome. (ooh, I may have just opened a second OS war front)
He did a great article deconstructing the bad interface on a dishwasher
Then there's the microwave ovens I see in offices where people keep hitting "clock" instead of "time cook", reseting the clock regularly. I gave up trying to fix their clock to the correct time because some boob would wander in an rest it sooner or later anyway.
And what's up with having a "quick minute" button which doesn't automatically start the oven? That's just retarded - if I wanted to wait first, I'd dial in the # myself first, then hit start. Silly silly design (or lack thereof!)
I like this story too - on Scott Adams' blog and plane crashes: http://www.asktog.com/columns/069ScottAdamsMeltdown.html
PCs are the ramshackle computers of the people. You can build your own from scratch, then customise it into oblivion. Sometimes you have to slap it to make it work properly, just like the Tardis (Doctor Who, incidentally, would definitely use a PC). PCs have charm; Macs ooze pretension." --Charlie Brooker
Quoted from I Hate Macs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006031,00.html
"Hello. Charlie Brooker here.
I wrote this piffle. Then it was subbed. And whoever subbed it decided to add a bit describing Doom as “the first shoot-em-up game”.
Words fail me.
They also changed every abbreviation -– so “they’re” becomes “they are” and “it’s” becomes “it is”, and so on -- presumably in an attempt to inject a bit more plodding, impersonal joylessness to the whole thing.
Bet they did it on a Mac, too."
I like Macs because I find I'm about 30% more efficient at getting stuff done.
Going back to the Guardian piece - which is pure gold - I love this part:
"The ads are adapted from a near-identical American campaign - the only difference is the use of Mitchell and Webb. They are a logical choice in one sense (everyone likes them), but a curious choice in another, since they are best known for the television series Peep Show - probably the best sitcom of the past five years - in which Mitchell plays a repressed, neurotic underdog, and Webb plays a selfish, self-regarding poseur. So when you see the ads, you think, "PCs are a bit rubbish yet ultimately lovable, whereas Macs are just smug, preening tossers." In other words, it is a devastatingly accurate campaign."
"Aside from crowing about sartorial differences, the adverts also make a big deal about PCs being associated with "work stuff" (Boo! Offices! Boo!), as opposed to Macs, which are apparently better at "fun stuff". How insecure is that? And how inaccurate? Better at "fun stuff", my arse. The only way to have fun with a Mac is to poke its insufferable owner in the eye. For proof, stroll into any decent games shop and cast your eye over the exhaustive range of cutting-edge computer games available exclusively for the PC, then compare that with the sort of rubbish you get on the Mac."
I do prefer PCs over Macs. I am used to them. Re Windows, well yes we deserve better. The main line of division however is simply that of price. I know plenty of friends and colleagues who might benefit from a Mac. But when you can build a PC out of old parts (hell my main pc uses a 4MB graphics card) then it's easy to see the value for money arguments. I have built computers for a number of friends all of whom could put together enough money for what they needed but certainly couldn't buy a PC for a £1000 in the shops let alone an Ives design classic. When what they want to do is pretty basic including web browsing, why should they?
Then there's the upgradeability argument - not so good on the Apple platform.
And yet Apple can make desirable AND affordable music players. Their flash-based stuff is great and it's no wonder they sell so many. Itunes is rubbish and certainly doesn't feel like a Windows app on Windows, yet users suck it up.
In both areas the main dictating factors are price and crossing that line when something becomes good enough to use.
If Vista can be "fixed" - they really must seriously produce a robust and secure operating system and the shackles of DRM are removed then we might have something worth looking at. Just providing some new eye-candy and catching up on OSX features isn't good enough when so many people use the Windows platform for work and play and deserve something alot better.
just an observation.
* A lot of Mac owners took it all far too seriously - it was a humourous article
* Given that Macs are Intel-based now the only real difference is the operating system. So why can't I install OSX on my £400 home-built PC?
* Windows is not the PC platform. There are a variety of OSes on the PC, you can leave Windows behind any time you like. The Mac/PC debate is really a Windows/OSX flame-war and god is it boring.
I mean, how many people are going to buy new computers, get this sluggish brick, with all sorts of new annoying things (stuff can't get written in c:Program Files) and they haven't fixed a single thing that annoys you about Windows.
Dag is right, the stupid File-Open mini-menu never saves anything, Last Folder location, window size, Sort By Details... You have to fight with the same crap everytime (occasionally an app will remember previous dir, but that's it).
If Apple would realize the hardware isn't that important now that iPhone and iPod will be 70% of revenue... They SHOULD go for the jugular and remove the DRM stuff to lock OSX to apple hardware. I realize they don't support anything but a handful of devices/drviers. But if you have the right chipset/CPU/graphics... Then you should be able to buy OSX. They should have a big disclaimer about what hardware is supported. And the Chinese will go nuts producing boxen that are compatible. Hell, my Dell laptop ran OSX just fine when the first Intel OSX86 was leaked.
(BTW OSX is easy to upgrade... It's freakin BSD/Linux, so user files go here, OS goes here. Programs go here, configs for programs go some place logical.. Easy cheesy... Good luck with Vista upgrade over buggy XP)
I love how Microsoft is so insanely incompetent that you can't just install clean on your computer. You would have to wipe/ install XP (probably upgrade to SP2) / then upgrade to Vista. What happens with Office trojan wipes out you computer...
All I know is that I have a "Vista Capable" machine and a free copy of Vista Business, and there is no way I'm installing.. Maybe if I get a spare harddrive.. (No point installing into VMware cause you don't get the Aero glass with VMware graphics support) Also, Nvidia is still not supported in Vista YET....
I have to install about 1000 freeware programs before Windows is useable, and it is all stuff that comes with just about every for of Unix.. Try
"ls *.txt | grep whatever"in Windows.Have a look at this diagram of system calls from a single page load on Apache/Linux compared with IIS/Windows. http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project.cfm?id=392
Microsoft need to get their act together and make a decent OS from the ground without the DRM. You would have to nuke your existing setup most probably but once that pain is over the foundations have been laid for a new generation of OS.
Again if I didn't have to use Windows for work I would be installing Ubuntu no question. Vista just doesn't answer the question of why you need to upgrade but offers many reasons why you might be hesitant.
As for games forget it. You're quite right Dag, a 360 is a good choice and I'm looking forward to Crackdown very soon...
I'm just not sure that MS is capable of eating that much crow.
(Beryl is the greatest thing to happen to eyecandy since the GUI itself.)
Vista is, just like everything else MS makes, late to the party...
Mac's are good for certain people with certain habits and certain hobbies. PC's are good for everyone else who doesn't fall into that specific category. Easy as that.
(oh and just for the record, to change your res in Vista, it's 3 clicks, not 9. Right click desktop, Personalize, Display Settings... and not only display settings are there. Appearance settings, mouse control, sounds, pointers, theme, etc.)
Updated January 31, 2007: NVIDIA has a newer Beta driver for GeForce 6 and 7 series GPUs that is available to download. "These NVIDA Windows Vista drivers are under development. This version is not fully optimized for full 3D performance and may not include all available features available on different operating systems. NVIDIA, along with the industry, is continuing to update its Windows Vista drivers to ensure maximum performance on 3D applications and add support for features."
No SLI support, and I'm not sure works well with Dual Core.
The reality is if that was the case you would still have people just like Anthony in this video frustrated that they could not get OSX to install on their OSX ready PC because of some video driver issue or any other number of things that could possibly go wrong when the company that makes the OS does not have total control over the hardware it is being used on.
I just had the most elegant graphics card upgrade of all time - a couple of reboots and everything had essentially set itself up (extra reboot just b/c I insisted on getting a new driver for my 8800 from nvidia.
I might be gone for a while now... DX10 gaming beckons!